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Greek bailout cost vs. Edinburgh tram cost
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Windmill
2015-07-03 06:09:26 UTC
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If the 600 million people in the E.U. had to bail out Greece to the
tune of 600 billion, that would be 1000 per person.

The 600,000 people in Edinburgh are having to pay 600 million for
trams, again 1000 per person.

In rough figures of course.

But the comparison puts things into perspective, something the
politicians seem incapable of doing.
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Murff
2015-07-03 11:53:15 UTC
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If the 600 million people in the E.U. had to bail out Greece to the tune
of 600 billion, that would be 1000 per person.
The 600,000 people in Edinburgh are having to pay 600 million for trams,
again 1000 per person.
In rough figures of course.
But the comparison puts things into perspective, something the
politicians seem incapable of doing.
I think that politicians are well aware of perspective, which is why they
keep quiet about things, selectively.

The Greek problem is someone else's screwup (up to a point). The trams
aren't.
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Windmill
2015-07-03 19:29:52 UTC
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Post by Murff
If the 600 million people in the E.U. had to bail out Greece to the tune
of 600 billion, that would be 1000 per person.
The 600,000 people in Edinburgh are having to pay 600 million for trams,
again 1000 per person.
In rough figures of course.
But the comparison puts things into perspective, something the
politicians seem incapable of doing.
I think that politicians are well aware of perspective, which is why they
keep quiet about things, selectively.
I'm not sure if all of them are. Certainly the top echelon must have
been told often enough, but they may prefer not to believe what they're
told, conscious as they must be of how much flannel they pump out
themselves.
And some of those further down seem more akin to religious extremists,
chanting some mantra regardless of its inappropriateness.
Post by Murff
The Greek problem is someone else's screwup (up to a point). The trams
aren't.
Maybe someone else's screwup, but like the trams it'll become our problem
too.
German engineering is usually very good but like some Greeks some
Germans pay kickbacks.
We may never find out everything that went on.
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The Real Doctor
2015-08-03 14:44:54 UTC
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Post by Windmill
The 600,000 people in Edinburgh are having to pay 600 million for
trams, again 1000 per person.
In rough figures of course.
But the comparison puts things into perspective, something the
politicians seem incapable of doing.
Indeed. A grand per head is peanuts. UK national debt is about £25k per
head.

Ian
Windmill
2015-08-06 11:16:22 UTC
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Post by Windmill
The 600,000 people in Edinburgh are having to pay 600 million for
trams, again 1000 per person.
In rough figures of course.
But the comparison puts things into perspective, something the
politicians seem incapable of doing.
Indeed. A grand per head is peanuts. UK national debt is about £25k per
head.
Not peanuts if you don't have it. But 1K is comparable to one year's
Council Tax, and it's sad to hear the BBC describing the Greek debt as
'eye-watering', which it isn't.

The UK gummint may under pressure admit to a 25K per person national
debt ~= 1.5 trillion, but being what they are there'll be a lot which
they've contrived to keep off the books.
Especially when it appears that the debt has doubled in the last 5
years.

They're well able to apply pressure to various departments and
statistics agencies to get them to fudge the figures.

When that isn't enough, they may 'discover' that X's relative(s) are
maybe involved in something concerning drugs or sex, thus distracting
our attention and helping to keep X in line.

If all else fails, they can always blame the previous government.
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